Thursday, September 1, 2011

South Africa: Racist Green Paper on Land Reform

I was busy drafting an article last night about that vociferous idiot, Malema, when I received the daily dose of headlines from Politicsweb in my email. The land reform paper was on the top of the list, where I couldn’t miss it. This morning I regretted ever reading the document before bedtime, as my sleep was occasionally interrupted by blurry visions of a hysterical Malema, running around with a flaming torch, and a pair of bloody Blue-Bull horns on his head.

Although the outright lies and blatant racism portrayed in this land reform paper is indeed shocking, it doesn’t come as a major surprise at all! The paper was issued yesterday, 31 August 2011, by the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform, and even attracted negative reaction from within government.
Click here to view the document.

Reading through the paper made me feel extremely depressed and angry. By the time I got to the sentence which read, “Colonialism and Apartheid brutalized African people, turning them hostage to perennial hunger and want, and related diseases and social strifes and disorders,” I completely lost the final wee bit of hope I still had left for the future of this beautiful country.

Minister Gugile Nkwinti revealed yesterday that the government had redistributed 6.3 million hectares of land so far, and also acknowledging that just 10 percent of that land is productive. Why did it take so long for them to admit this? Why did they not state how much of that land was productive before it was redistributed?

This is what makes me so angry about the ANC government. No task gets tackled using tried and tested methods. Everything must first stagnate for a couple of years or collapse completely, before the same costly cycle of doom repeats itself again.

How can Minister Gugile Nkwinti say it is in the interests of the country to control the holding of land by foreigners, when prosperous Arabs, who are not even living in the country permanently, already possess vast tracks of prime farmland and game-reserve property all over the country? This is a fact you will never read about in the media, but yet it is happening right under our very noses. Don't tell me that the top fat-cats in the ANC are not fully aware of this!

Maybe in 10 years from now, if we’re lucky, we’ll read the news about the covert takeover of land by foreign Arabs, and the real reasons why the government was unable to meet its target of redistributing 30 percent of farmland to black farmers.

As Zuma would say, “under the present sir-kom-stunces,” there is absolutely bugger-all we can do about the fact that a menacing dark force is running (I mean ruining) this country. It thus came as no surprise to see that the land reform proposals ran into heavy fire today. Yet despite all the negative aspects that were highlighted, I still have an eerie feeling that the real big issues are being ignored, or are not being positively identified… In other words, there’s something really fishy going on, which we don’t know about.

Land reform proposals run into heavy fire
Legislation ‘unlikely’ to pass constitutional muster if enacted
Published: 2011/09/01 02:39:05 PM

By Wyndham Hartley

CAPE TOWN — The role of the judiciary may be infringed and the willing buyer, willing seller principle in land transactions has been effectively abandoned in the green paper on land reform.

Legislation emanating from the green paper, made public yesterday, is unlikely to pass constitutional muster if it vests powers currently held by the courts in the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform.

Even within the government reaction to the paper was swift and negative. Deputy Minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Pieter Mulder warned the paper could have unintended consequences for SA’s food security.

The paper proposes two powerful institutions, the Land Management Commission and the land valuer-general. The commission will have the power to validate title deeds, seize or confiscate land and set property values.

Rural Development and Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti yesterday played down the powers of the commission at a media briefing in Parliament. He said that the power to validate title deeds would be used when there was doubt over the ownership of a piece of land, or where the title deeds were confused.

Asked if all title deeds would face scrutiny and validation by the commission, Mr Nkwinti said: "The Land Management Commission won’t throw the land ownership system into doubt."

He said the intention was that the commission would be a permanent body — unlike the Land Claims Commission, which would be disbanded when the land restitution process was completed.

The Land Management Commission would be created by the Land Protection Bill, which would be finalised soon, he said.

The surprisingly short 12-page green paper will translate into three pieces of legislation later this year without going through a white paper process, as is normal parliamentary practice.

Mr Nkwinti said there would be a meeting of stakeholders, and working groups would be set up to consider the draft legislation.

It is proposed that the land valuer-general would be a statutory office that could determine financial compensation in cases of expropriation and "provide fair and consistent land values for rating and taxing purposes".

When asked if this did not, in effect, abolish the willing buyer, willing seller principle, Mr Nkwinti said the principle had always been a problem as "it distorts the market". "The land valuer-general is designed to eliminate these vagaries."

Lindiwe Mazibuko said the creation of the Land Management Commission would violate the constitutional principle of property rights.

"We believe it is untenable that an extra judicial body, that is not independent from a political office, is granted powers to terminate land ownership rights," she said. "The office of the valuer- general will have powers to determine the value of financial compensation in cases of land expropriation. The constitution explicitly provides that this role is to be performed by the judiciary.

"Appointing a nonindependent body to determine compensation is open to abuse, and is unlikely to pass constitutional muster."

Mr Mulder warned that another proposal in the paper, to limit the size of private land that individuals could own, was "a recipe for food shortages in SA".

"Approximately 15% of SA’s commercial farmers … produce 80% of the food …. By placing limits on how much land these big farmers are allowed to own, the whole of the agricultural economy will be warped without the land reform problems … being solved." --
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Get a hold of yourself man. Tokyo Sexwhale is on record for saying that they will not just expropriate land that is being used for the sake of it. He is after all a promiment A.N.C minister responsible for these policies not Malema. He publically rebuked Malema. Why do you choose to see Malema, who early next week WILL be booted out the A.N.C, as the voice of the A.N.C rather than the minister of the portfolio ?

Confirmation bias much ?

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There’s no need to comment anonymously Rooster! The only reason why you’ve commented anonymously here (and other places as well) is because you’re unsure of your own predictions.

You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that Malema’s days as President of the ANCYL are over. Everyone knows that this WILL happen.

My guess is that lawyers on both sides of this saga are going to drag this matter on forever at an exorbitant cost. It’s what your beloved ANC govermunt does expertly, despite the ridiculous admission that there are insufficient funds to probe all the corruption.

You asked, “Why do you choose to see Malema….. as the voice of the A.N.C rather than the minister of the portfolio?”

Now please point out to me WHERE in this posting, or any others for that matter, was that impression created???

I’m waiting…

If you cannot answer that question, then at least comment on the racist remarks contained within the Green Paper…(the main theme of this posting). You have this annoying knack of bringing up topics that are totally unrelated to the posting in question. You also have the habit of seldom following up when people react to your comments… as this posting, for example. It is bloody irritating!!!

Maybe YOU should get a hold of yourself – twit!

If you bother to read some of the latest articles on this blog, you should have noticed that I have dissociated myself with the views of extremists on both sides of the political spectrum….

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If you have truly started to dissasociate will you be big enough to admit the following :

People knowlingly lie and spread misinformation about boer farmer murder numbers massively to present is as "genocide" to try and push a radical agenda ?

They also constantly claim not only are these murders higher than the national average but they are carried out ore at least tolerated by the A.N.C. Do you reject this ?

Julius Malema is not the true mouth piece of the A.N.C. Do you admit this ?

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@ September 4, 2011 11:31 AM and September 3, 2011 9:34 AM...

If you took the time to look at what Malema is saying about a number of pertinent issues, you would find that most, if not all, of what he is saying is in direct and complete agreement with the freedom charter that was ratified again by the ANC at Polokwane where they ALL pledged their unequivocal support in continuing the NDR until completion. This amongst others is the complete "confiscation" of farmland, mining and banking interests.

That the portfolio minister has nothing to say on the matter means absolutely nothing. It merely indicates that the political double speak is in force and that the Marxist strategy of using other people to do their dirty work is still in play.

The public rebuke of Malema is simply nothing more than the old bait and switch tactic that this regime has used to effectively blind the ignorant of their true agenda.

You would do well to read "Peoples War" by Anthea Jeffery and gain some insight into the minds and workings of the regime.

As an aside - how do you explain the FACT that the white murder rate in South Africa has more than TRIPLED since Saint Mandela and the rest of the baby killers took power? I would suggest that it is indeed genocide.

You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.

Please take the RED pill...

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@Anonymous - September 4, 2011 11:31 AM

Question 1
Do people knowingly lie and spread misinformation about boer farmer murder numbers massively to present it as "genocide" to try and push a radical agenda?

Answer 1
I know exactly where you’re coming from with this rather ambiguous question, but I’m not going to fall into your scheming little trap. According to the customary definition of genocide, there IS a genocide taking place, MOST DEFINITELY! Although I must admit that the stats seem somewhat confusing, there are numerous reasons why this is the case… I believe this was already been explained to you on numerous occasions.

I honestly doubt though that people will knowingly lie and spread misinformation “massively” just to push an agenda which is already a deep-seated emotional issue among the farming community of this country. Maybe you are misinterpreting certain people’s massive frustration with the worldview’s ignorance regarding genocide, and/or their irritation with the majority people’s unawareness of the cruel brutality of the deeds committed.

I am prepared to admit that some people do tend to go slightly overboard with the manner in which this issue is being ‘marketed’, but then again you’ll find many of these same people going passionately overboard with the issue of Rhino killings as well.

Accept the fact that the senseless slaughter of humans (or Rhino’s) is a highly-upsetting traumatic experience for most ‘normal’ people – so… LEAVE THEM ALONE! -- If you do get the urge to point out the occasional errors, then do so gently!

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@Anonymous - September 4, 2011 11:31 AM

Question 2
They also constantly claim not only are these murders higher than the national average but they are carried out or at least tolerated by the A.N.C. Do you reject this?

Answer 2
The farm murders were at one point in time for (4) times higher than the national average.

The following paragraph was sourced from the internet archive (Wayback Machine - Beta version) :

“It may indeed be possible to exterminate a specific group over an extended period of time while the absolute number killed each year decreases, paradoxically creating a false impression of a diminishing annihilation – decreasing in annual numbers but resulting in undetected genocide. Pogroms against Jews in Europe diminished after the Enlightenment but prior to the Holocaust, and massacres of Tutsis slowed in Rwanda before 1990. The slow decimation of the Ache in Paraguay and of other native American groups in Brazil, while set in quite different historic and cultural contexts, present disturbing parallels.”

The document also provides some questions and answers as to how many ethno-European farmers were killed from 1991 to 2001. Click here to view the entire document.

Regarding the second part of your question – were these murders carried out or at least tolerated by the ANC… Answer : I don’t know, but on the other hand I don’t think they’ll leave the evidence scattered around, will they now? (Dumb question)

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@Anonymous - September 4, 2011 11:31 AM

Question 3
Julius Malema is not the true mouth piece of the A.N.C. Do you admit this?

Answer 3
Another dumb ambiguous question… due to the insertion of the word “true”.

Of course Malema is a mouth piece of the ANC! It’s a pity the ANCYL removed their old racist constitution, but their newly revised one (April 2008) states quite clearly that the ANCYL shall:

Support and reinforce the African National Congress in the attainment of the goals of the National Democratic Revolution - Article D: Aims And Objectives – Point no.2

Article F, which deals specifically with the youth league’s relationship with ANC, states:

1. The ANCYL shall be a voluntary youth organisation and mass organ of the ANC.
2. The ANCYL shall function as an autonomous body within the overall structure of the ANC of which it shall be an integral part. It shall be based on the political and ideological objectives of the ANC.
3. The ANCYL shall liaise closely with the ANC at all levels (national, provincial, regional, zonal and branch levels).

etc. etc…

Download the entire ANCYL constitution here. (only 353kb)

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Careful mate. Unlike someone with a confirmation bias if you post a list of so called white farmers murder I will actually read it. This is something Afriana stuijt never counted on when she posted a list of less than 1600 people who mostly came from cities, many not white and some even not dead and presented it as "a list of over 3000 white farmers killed since 1994"

Do you admit that Stuijt obviously intended to mislead people ? If not do I need to bomard you with the facts AGAIN so it will sink in ?

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The article is from 2002 and it's only "source" to its claims is this...,1113,2_1063178,00.html

Which doesn't open. And knowing news24 it again was a total thumb suck. Why can't you show some skepticism about an issue I have demonstrated is routinely lied about or misrepresented and distorted for effect ?

Surely when I have shown you with no ambigiuty the leading authority on the issued knowingly lies about it you would want to treat it future with a double check ? Or do you have a dog in this fight ?

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Oh and the article is from Genocide watch. Mster stanton recently sent me an email to thank me for pointing out Adriana Stuijts lies and that he would look further into the matter. After all it's her correspondance that for years motivated anything he had to say about genocide in South Africa. Wormtongue.

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Of course Malema is a mouth piece of the ANC! It’s a pity the ANCYL removed their old racist constitution, but their newly revised one (April 2008) states quite clearly that the ANCYL shall


You understand the difference between "a" and "the" ?

Let me explain. If I talk about "a sun" you probably know I'm not talking about "the sun" (the one we both think of when saying "the sun"). And vica versa.

Anyway he won't even be "a" mouthpiece of the A.N.C in a week or so. He's getting the boot.

Extreme right conspiracy theorists - 0. Rooster - 79472947.

Pattern is emerging. Maybe time to jump the loony ship ?

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@Anonymous (Rooster) 10:42 AM

There’s no need to bombard me with the facts again. It is not that I’m uninterested in the topic, but I do not have the time to scrutinize lists upon lists of names of murdered people. Frankly I don’t like the idea that it is presented online, and neither do I think it is morally correct to post pictures of dead people on the public domain. I had a squabble once with the old SAS blog about this same issue. Adriana also knows what my feelings are about her lists. She did however admit some time ago that there were errors and also mentioned that some of the list(s) had been hacked. I was referred to corrected new lists, but as I’ve stated above I don’t have the time to keep scrutinizing these lists for errors…(I’m not her watchdog) - Neither do I have time to keep checking where the latest lists are being hosted.

BTW – I’ve just noticed there’s a new list here >> posted by “Cape Freedom”.

One last thing…

It’s always good that people like Adriana, who embark on projects of this nature, have an assessor and moderator (watchdog), but then the watchdog must also be competent. I don’t think I am competent, and neither do I think you are. In the end, people like Dr. Gregory Stanton are far more proficient in these matters. If he feels Adriana’s lists are unreliable, then I’m sure he will look into the matter. I doubt though that Dr. Stanton’s views concerning genocide in SA is based solely on Adriana’s correspondence, as you have suggested.

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I was referred to corrected new lists


No you weren't. Because you linked me to this "new" list. This time the list was of people were were robbed, attacked (some murdered) on farms etc and MOST were not whites and there was again far less than 3000 cases.

Adriana is a liar mate. If she had a new list why still continue were her opld fabricaton months after the fact ? There are still no disclaimers on her list. It makes exactly the same claim (over 3500 names of dead farmers) and provides around 1200 names of people who are mostly not farmers (gross majority), many not whites and some DEMONSTRATED as not dead. Oh yeah and t goes back to 1987not 1994 as she claims. In response she says "oh the list isn't complete ? WTF ??????? You don't seem like a total moron. Are you really going to buy that ?

Come on man, I'm not trying to rub your nose in it but you have made claims over and over that align with her based on her "research". You even link to her site. You're a christian, don't be proud. It's ok to admit that you were taken for a ride. Will you do this much ? I won't mock you or anything as you will be giving those who would have us in a race war like the extreme right and left a big klap.

And anyway who would "hack" a list ? Honestly ? Why ?

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@Anonymous (Rooster) - September 6, 2011 9:41 AM

I’ve already stated that I don’t like the idea that these lists are presented online. One of the reasons I don’t like it, is because errors are bound to occur. Even the media, from where most of the details are obtained, are bound to make errors. You should also have noticed (being a regular visitor), that I removed the graphic display of murder-stats from this blog and also the link, long ago - soon after the errors on the list came to my attention.

NOW you want me to state outright that Adriana is a liar. I’m sorry but I cannot do that to someone who has unselfishly dedicated a large part of her spare time assisting, advising, and mobilizing a community of people who get absolutely zero support from the government. Besides the genocide issue, the lady is also involved in the promotion of countless other charity concerns. No one is paying her to do this, she does it out of own free will!

I do not always agree with the manner in which this genocide issue is being presented and/or campaigned. For example, when they speak of an “upgrade” to level 6, it makes my blood boil. The correct term is “downgrade”. Then you get people on facebook who press the “like” button when they see this. How the hell can you like something as depressing as that?

You ARE busy rubbing my nose into this business, and your obsession is starting to irritate me.

You’ve asked me many questions on this blog (my own blog), and I think I’ve been most accommodating, especially if you take into consideration your personal hostility towards this blog. However - I get the feeling that the more I say, the more ammo I freely give away.

My final submission…
You have already personally taken up this issue with Dr. Stanton. Follow it up with him, and do us all a favour by keeping us posted on your own blog.

The links in the sidebar are “Blogs of Interest” – That is, my interest AND also readers interest. Censorbugbear’s posts are updated almost daily with a variety of newsworthy topics (not all are related to genocide), the link will therefore remain in the sidebar.

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Well respect for taking down the graphic. All I ask for you lot on the extreme right is to play fair and not stick to the one trick of needless alarmism, hyperbole and scaremongering.

Adriana hasn't done a selfless thing in her life it's all underhand and manipulative towards an ugly selfish agenda. I doubt she'd pee on a black or even non "boer" white baby if it was one fire. With that said you're free to make up your own mind and I think anyone reading between the lines gets the latent information regarding your views to the validity of what she has stated.

Say no more. Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. Say no more.

Just one last question if I may ? And this goes to all of you.

If the extreme right is willing to lie about something so horrific as genocide, what else are they willing to lie about ?

Can you trust anything they say ? Ask yourself that question next time someone is trying to alarm you about something in this country. Look at what they are saying, remove all the past propaganda that's in your head, take a deep breath and then look at it again. I'm sure 99 times out of a hundred you will see the Mike Smith's of the world for the true, defunctional loonies they really are.

Now nobody is saying become a liberal. I'm no liberal. I think liberals are naive and enforce P.C bollocks to the point of being fascist. But how about not being a knee jerk grouch with silly ideas about behaviour being genetically hardwired. Read some anthropology and behaviourism. Skinner, Piaget, Pavlov, viagotsky etc. quickly you will start to learn about your fellow man. Once we're all educated we can INTELLIGENTLY approach our social differences and work through them. I mean that's just the smart thing to do.

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